Read the Newsela article. Do you think it is fair for colleges to accept students to their university based on how kind they are? Why or why not? What would be a fair way to assess how kind a person is if you were in charge of admissions? Make sure you respond to the prompt and cite evidence from the article. Also, please remember to respond to at least two other student entries.
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Alexandrah
2/16/2016 10:21:41 am
I think it is fair to base it on kindness, but only partly. It is not fair if they have perfect test scores and because they are not kind.
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jacob
2/16/2016 10:28:40 am
i agree because if someone gets 100% & all 4's but their a bad person thats not fair
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BEATRICE
2/16/2016 10:33:35 am
I agree with you because the students who have good grades probably work really hard for them and it is not fair to exclude them from the school.
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Owen
2/16/2016 10:35:30 am
Yes, if the student has all A's, but not so nice, you should still let them in the college.
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Rheanna
2/16/2016 10:46:10 am
I agree because it will help them be better learners
Lucas
2/16/2016 10:53:40 am
I agree that if the student is getting perfect scores but isn't nice, they should still get in the college their grades earn. People could solve the no kindness problem by making different classes for unkind kids.
Malcolm
2/16/2016 10:44:01 am
I disagree because If you have perfect grades you should get in but with the new rule if your not nice you would not get into that school.
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Malcolm
2/16/2016 11:00:29 am
I agree me but I beileve that it is fair to kids who have bad grades
Raphael
2/16/2016 10:44:13 am
I agree with you because there has to be some sort of restriction in the student's admission.
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Allie
2/16/2016 10:53:40 am
I agree with you because because they must have worked so hard to enter a school but just because of they're behavior they don't get in. i also agree with you because bad behavior can also mean bullying and bullying can cause physical hurting.
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Cecily :)
2/16/2016 10:58:53 am
I totally agree with you that if someone is a straight A student and they are mean that is not fair. But, if you were kind-hearted and nice but you got C's or B's that would be fair.
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mia
2/16/2016 11:38:16 am
I think that collages should both base it on test reuslts and kindness
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Natasha
2/18/2016 09:41:26 am
I agree with you, Mia. Colleges should base who they let in on both test results and kindness, because it isn't fair if you are a horrible person who gets good grades and gets accepted into Harvard, or if you are the nicest person in the world and gets terrible grades and gets a reward for it. I believe college is a reward, and you have to work hard for it.
Sasha Sauciur (Alexandra)
2/18/2016 10:39:19 am
I partially agree with you because I think that students should not be graded over the average of fairness or kindness. They should mostly be grade on their efforts and work ethics.-$@$H@
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Nola
2/18/2016 11:05:02 am
I completely agree, I don't think that it is fair not to allow people who don't have as good attitude to go to colleges. But it is nice to have a school where there are no bullies.
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Jacob
2/16/2016 10:26:09 am
Yes I think it is fair that Unifircitys dont care so much about grades but personalitys. Dont judge my misspelled words.
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Alexandrah
2/16/2016 10:32:51 am
I agree they should not judge it by one thing it should be a little of both, but if they are extraordinary in one they should let them in
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Leah
2/16/2016 10:36:04 am
I agree with you because I think that it matters about their personalities not really about student's grades.
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owen
2/16/2016 10:38:53 am
I think the UNIVERSITIES should not just judge by just smarts, or just kindness, but both.
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Lucas
2/16/2016 10:58:09 am
I agree that the universities should determine if they should get in by kindness AND grades.
Zoe
2/16/2016 07:32:01 pm
I agree when you state the people in charge should
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alex
2/16/2016 10:29:36 am
I think it is fair too!!
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Rheanna
2/16/2016 10:48:47 am
I agree because it would not be fair for the other students
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Leah
2/16/2016 10:30:37 am
Yes, I think think that it is fair for colleges to accept the students of how kind they are because even though they are smart, when they grow up no one will count that they are smart because they are rude, unpolite, and disrespectful. Maybe a fair way is to ask the students to do a favor and if they don't do that favor, they are counted as unkind.
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Elie
2/16/2016 10:33:43 am
I agree with you!
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Alexandrah
2/16/2016 10:42:01 am
I agree and disagree because they could be tested on kindness, but the reason the said no would matter. They could still be kind if they were doing a favor for some one and didn't want distractions. Also the way they say it determines it to. If they say it kindly they are also kind. It all depends on the situation.
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BEATRICE
2/16/2016 10:43:06 am
I disagree with you because the people with good grades probably worked really hard for their grades and it is just disrespecting how hard they worked to not let them into the school. If they are super-rude then maybe not but they must have worked very hard for their grades.
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Malcolm
2/16/2016 10:55:58 am
I agree because you should get in and it suck if you were a jerk and all your grades were A and you did not get in.
Raphael
2/16/2016 10:45:36 am
Very true you are mostly expected in life to be kind or humble or just friendly or polite.
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Matisse
2/16/2016 10:54:20 am
I disagree on asking them to do a favor because what if they were a bad student but they still do the favor, then what do you do?
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Jaya (room 31)
2/18/2016 10:37:59 am
I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I feel that students should be in a good college based on how well that they can keep up with all the work and how smart they are. Not because they are kind. Of course I agree with you on some levels, you need to be kind to people, but, students need to be academically challenged in school.
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Sofia (room 31)
2/18/2016 10:41:23 am
I disagree with you because if people are not smart but nice what kind if job would they have when they grow up? The smart people would have good jobs and make a lot of money. They could learn not to be super rude and live a good life with a good job.
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BEATRICE
2/16/2016 10:30:55 am
I think it would be fair because the students that are kind may have to help someone or something and they would get a bad grade for being nice but it is also not fair because the students that have good grades work really hard for those grades. A fair way to assess how kind a person is would probably to ask the students one thing about them just as the hundreds of schools have done as it says in the text.
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Leah
2/16/2016 10:34:28 am
I agree with you, It doesn't matter about their grades.
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Lucas
2/16/2016 11:03:46 am
I don't think you should only judge a student by only their kindness. That way, a kid that dosen't know 2+2 could get into Harvard.
Elie
2/16/2016 10:36:49 am
I completely agree with you it is so true that the student has to work their heart out just to get a good grade!
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BEATRICE
2/16/2016 10:45:30 am
And the schools must be really good so the teachers could teach the person to be less disrespectful.
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Rianne
2/16/2016 10:51:28 am
I agree with you a lot because the people with high grades really did work hard to get into a college and all their hard work would just go to waste.
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Cecily:)
2/16/2016 11:03:59 am
I totally agree with you that it is not fair that students with really good grades should be accepted because they worked really hard but, i also think that you are correct that kind and nice people should be accepted too.
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Elie
2/16/2016 10:31:04 am
No, I do not think it is fair for colleges to accept students based on how
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Elie
2/16/2016 10:32:37 am
But just a little I think yes it is fair.
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sofia
2/16/2016 11:03:41 am
I agree with you because I also think that it is not fair for the people to except kind students with bad grades .
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Leilah
2/18/2016 10:37:42 am
I totally agree with you Ellie because some people work really hard to get into some of the best colleges and when you are just nice then that does not really mean anything . You could just say that you go to a really good college but that doesn't mean you are necessarily smart .
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owen
2/16/2016 10:33:33 am
Yes, I think that colleges like Harvard should look at the student's behavior first before they accept them into the college. But, in life there still is some bad people so you should just allow 1-2 students with sort of bad behavior but not too bad to prepare students for life. As Claudia Chen says, "be yourself".
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Allie
2/16/2016 10:45:36 am
I agree with you because it is true to be yourself and I sort of don't agree with you because they don't have to put people with bad behavior even though they have bad behavior once in a while doesn't mean they should let them in. So far, I think your statement is true.
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Gavin
2/18/2016 10:04:34 am
I agree with you Owen because if you get good grades but you have bad behavior, it will effect your grades and make them lower.Although, I think their should a class where you learn how to control yourself so your grades will be good. At the end of your response when you said that Claudia mentioned to ''be yourself,''she and you are partly right because if you are in a good school but you have bad behavior, it will show that you are smart, but you are a person with bad behavior. I also think that if you have bad behavior you should still make it into a college because in college, you can learn how to control your issues to turn from bad to good.Overall, I agree with you!
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Benicio
2/18/2016 10:38:42 am
I disagree with you because you need good grades to have a good education. But it would be way better if the students had both qualities. If they only have one quality, they would be good students and if the students have both qualities they would be great i the future.
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Lena
2/16/2016 10:41:56 am
I think that it is fair to base the exception on kindness because in college you need to be able to work as a team\group and you have to be kind to get along with the people in your team. A fair way to see if someone is kind is to see what they have done with other people such as feeding the homeless or being a caretaker to someone who needs it. This shows how people can work with others. Evidence I have to support this is," Instead, they have to write something about themselves." If they write something about themselves they might incorporate how they helped someone and how it was important to them.
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Anthea
2/16/2016 10:56:14 am
I agree with you because in college you do have to work as a team with other people so you have to be a good person with a good attitude.
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Zoe
2/16/2016 07:16:31 pm
I agree with your whole response. I especialy agree when you state that in college you need to be able to cooperate in a team, and how that involves kindness. You gave your own opinion but also gave examples to support it. Good job!
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Arlon
2/18/2016 10:02:40 am
I agree with you Lena because if they let in somebody who is a complete bully or is mean,they would probably insult other students who are either less intelligent than him/her or are just plain out not even smart.
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Brian
2/18/2016 10:40:39 am
I disagree with you because anyone can be nice. So there might be lots of not smart students in the top schools
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Raphael
2/16/2016 10:42:00 am
I do think that it is fair to accept kind students into colleges because you are expected to do well in life like get a good job or getting high grades but not only you are expected to succeed in life but you are also expect to be kind to one another, to help each other."Harberson does not think the answer is asking students to be nicer or more caring. She thinks colleges will still be unfair about who they let in. She says they will always favor certain students over others." If I was in charge of admissions I would assess if a student is kind by their previous behavior, actions, and words, such as in their writing, what words do they write down,how they acted previously, did they say any thing mean or bully anybody?
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Rianne
2/16/2016 10:47:52 am
I agree with you that they should let kids in by their previous behavior.
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Leo
2/16/2016 01:00:18 pm
I very much agree with you because all schools don't want any bullies to hurt anyone.
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Rianne
2/16/2016 10:45:01 am
I think it is fair for colleges to accept students based on their kindness and not on their grades because in the article it stated that colleges are trying to do a more holistic approach and what if a senior in high school has amazing grades but they aren't kind to other people. If I were in charge of admissions, I think it would be a fair way to accept students in colleges because the students that are rude and mean would probably spend more time being in trouble and less time on class time. It would be the opposite for kind people. More time on class time and less time getting in trouble.
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Anthea
2/16/2016 10:59:32 am
I agree with you because if they get in trouble too much, they won't have time to learn new things. This can also affect their grades in a bad way.
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Ranya
2/16/2016 10:46:19 am
They should accept students based on how kind they are because, if you imagine being grown up with no manners or a happy attitude of course no one would give you a job.
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amy
2/16/2016 10:46:23 am
Yes, I think that it is fair for the admissions officers to pick students by how kind they are.The reason why I think this is fair is because,if students are not good people they should not get the oppertunity to be in a good school. So it does not really mater about the test grades
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Rachel
2/16/2016 10:56:48 am
I agree because students could get bullied and they would have lots of stress.
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KRISTE
2/16/2016 11:08:46 am
I disagree with you on how you said that test grades don't matter because if a student that lacks education goes to an elite school, it is bad for all the classmates and the student themselves because the student lacking education will have a hard time getting good grades.
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KIYAN
2/16/2016 10:46:49 am
I think that it is fair to base on kindness but it wont be fair if that is the only thing that they are looking for because just you are not kind does not mean you work hard.
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Matisse
2/16/2016 10:49:47 am
Yes, I think it is fair that colleges accepted students in based on how kind they are because if they have high grades but are bad students they might become bullies. If I were in charge of admissions to tell how kind they are I would put them in a group of people to work together and I would see how well they work together.
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Rachel
2/16/2016 10:50:06 am
I think that they should base it on kindness. I think they should because kids could bully one another and it will be hard on the students who get bullied. Like it says in "Caring of Others Stressed" it states "And finally, the report says admission standards should aim to help young people become more "caring of others." Students should be caring of others because if someone needs help a student could help.
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Leo
2/16/2016 12:50:56 pm
I agree with you because it would give stress to the people who have been bullied.
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Connie
2/18/2016 10:50:34 am
I agree with you that the colleges should judge people by their kindness. I have never thought about the idea of being bullied, so I find it quite interesting. Also, they should pick students by their personality, because when judging by top scores/grades, it stresses out some people out in school. Mean attitudes could affect students' learning and their ways towards other people.
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Zoe
2/16/2016 10:50:30 am
Yes, I think it's fair for colleges to have students
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Gael ( A Past Student )
2/18/2016 10:46:39 am
Zoe I agree alot because even though they are kind you still need to look more about the student. I also like how you did different perspectives.
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Malcolm
2/16/2016 10:50:46 am
I dont think its fair because if you are the best student in the world and you are a jerk you won't get in and thas not fair.[But if you don't have good grades and you are the nicest person in the world l guess its fair but thats still not fair to all people.
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Anthea
2/16/2016 10:52:13 am
Yes, I think it is fair because if one student gets really high grades and has a high amount of achievements, they might not be respectful and kind to others. That can lead to a lot of arguments on school grounds. I'm not sure if college has detention, but if it does, that student would be sent there a lot. And if I was in charge of admissions, I would ask the person a little about themselves and their past. I would also ask them about their experience working with other people. If that person doesn't want to tell me, then I won't accept him/her. And another way is to have them write an article about them (if their school didn't already have them do it) and if it doesn't have very nice things to find out about a person, I won't let that person in.
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Lesly
2/18/2016 10:06:00 am
I agree with you Anthea because when wrote that there might be arguments and would be sent to detention a lot if colleges do have detention.
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Justine
2/18/2016 10:39:36 am
I don't agree with your argument, Anthea, because a student's kindness might be low because they have poor social skills, and it isn't their fault. I think it's important that you consider the student's attitude towards others, but I don't think you should not accept them because of it.
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sofia
2/16/2016 10:52:43 am
I don't think it is fair to except students like this because they will have a bad life in college .They will have a bad life in college because they will have bad grades. I think think that grades are important . The way you act is also important but grades are more important . If you have bad grades, you might not be able to graduate . If there was a really kind person, I might put them in college . But if they had bad grades I don't know what I would do .
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Rachel
2/16/2016 11:02:50 am
I disagree because it matters about both behavior and grades. When they try to find a job they can see the good grades, but then when they start being disrespectful to their employees they probably will get fired.
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Garrett
2/16/2016 11:31:14 am
I feel like you are right because there might be a kid with a bad additude but might be smart as einstein!
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Cecily :)
2/16/2016 10:53:48 am
Yes I think that colleges should care on how nice and respectful a student is because when students or kids are that mean, it could lead to real life problems like committing a crime and getting put in jail. Or a student could be rude and disrespectful to a teacher. Because like in the newesla article I say you have to be yourself but I also agree with Michael Beseda that "higher education has become an engine of greater inequality." :)
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KRISTE
2/16/2016 11:05:45 am
I agree with you on how you said that a student should be nice and respectful so that nobody is lead to crime, but I don't think it is right to have kids that lack education be at a elite school with other elite students.
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Julian Selby ( 5th grade )
2/18/2016 09:51:09 am
I agree with you, Cecily, because students should be free to follow their dreams and make them come true. A student, however should not be allowed to disrespect teachers or staff or speak out of turn. Even the smallest thing, like you said, like stealing or speaking rudely can lead into a terrible life. So, yes, I believe students should be monitored only under specific circumstances, like speaking rudely, or stealing.
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Aidan
2/18/2016 10:40:18 am
I agree with you too Cecily because some smart students can be smart but some could also be disrespectful on campus. Some students can also be very mean and cause arguments like you said. But if there were a few nice students that are nice in class that could lead to more respect in the class.
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Charlotte
2/18/2016 10:42:54 am
I liked the way you supported your comment with other details and reasons why you took this side. Even though I have a different opinion, I agree with many of the reasons that you put in your comment. When people know how to act with a positive behavior, they are guaranteed to do well in their independent and social life. It IS important that people are respectful because this skill is used throughout our future. I disagree with your opinion though, because i think that it is not fair that top schools turn down people that arent as respectful as most people, when they probably tried really hard. Also, It's important that well behaved students learn how to work with people with positive AND negative personalities, and vise versa.
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violet
2/18/2016 10:47:27 am
I agree with you Cecily.I think that mean but smart students could have some life problems, such as committing crimes. But did you consider what might happen if you put kind, dumb kids and smart, mean kids together in a class. A result could be that you will end up having a giant class of kind and smart kids by the end of the year.
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isaac
2/16/2016 10:55:46 am
I think they should accept it because then the students know if they are doing good in school or not.
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LOGAN
2/16/2016 10:56:31 am
From seeing the NEWSELA article about if high school students should get in a top University (Stanford, UCLA, Harvard, etc.) if they gets straight A's but a unkind person, they should be ejected from the appliances to the college since they have done horrible acts.
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Jacob (Ms..Stanco class)
2/18/2016 09:53:16 am
I don't agree with you and this is my opinion, very kind people are maybe dumb (not all some just think of a nice guy that's dumb). They will probably get bad grades in (USC or UCLA,etc) that is bad for their education.
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Allie
2/16/2016 10:59:52 am
I think it is fair because they should accept them by their behavior or their personality because if they judge the person by their score it might be great but that student might be taking drugs which is not good.
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Ashley
2/18/2016 10:41:53 am
Even though the people are hardworking and getting all fours on the report card grades, they can still be a kind and generous student. So if a person gets all fours on their report card, don't misjudge them of being mean and sassy. They might be a nice person in the inside who wants friends but she doesn't get any. How would you feel if you were that kind of person?
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yoda/hector
2/16/2016 11:00:39 am
yoda: care about the persons personalities the universities should.If they dont the student may be on the darkside.want that we dont.light side they must be must must must must!!
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garrett
2/16/2016 11:24:39 am
I feel the same way but can you please dont call yourself yoda. Its kind-of weird.
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KRISTE
2/16/2016 11:02:35 am
Well, I don't think it is fair for schools to include kids that are kind but are in a lack of education because it is bad for the classmates and the student, themselves. On the other hand, I do think there is a need of kind students that are smart so that the environment and relationships at schools don't get damaged. In order to see if a person is kind or not, you can see if that student is able to get along with the others well.
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sofia
2/16/2016 11:07:47 am
I agree with you Kriste because it is not fair for staudents with bad grades to gets excepted .
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Daniel Y. the 5th grader
2/18/2016 10:39:39 am
I agree with you on the part where you said that people that don't get good grades but just goes around smiling and saying "Is it too late to say sorry?" should not be qualified to go into the good colleges.
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Jay
2/18/2016 10:50:43 am
I agree with you Kriste because people who are not hard workers do not deserve to be in good colleges!
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Leo
2/16/2016 11:10:06 am
I think that it is both fair and unfair because first of all, no school wants to have bullies, that is why I think it is fair,but it isn't fair because the people who work so hard to go to a school they have been dreaming to go to a particular university but to be abased down, so that is why I think it is both fair and unfair.
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Elena
2/18/2016 09:51:32 am
I agree with you Leo because it is fair because it is good to be caring about other students who are going to be around you a long time. But it is also unfair because some people really deserve the good college, but they are not really caring, so they don't get in, that is not fair.
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Tommy
2/18/2016 10:02:30 am
I disagree with you (sorry). The reason why is because it is the students fault for not doing the Treat others like you want to be treated agreement. You still have a very good point of it being fair but at the same time not fair. I would feel bad for those with the dream to succeed to an amazing college but fail because they are mean. It must have felt like metal bashing against your back. Good point you have.
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Cara
2/18/2016 10:03:52 am
I agree with you because of course, no school would want students to fight and bully each other. But also, it wouldn't be fair for people who worked really hard to get into the particular school they wanted to get in.
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Jorden
2/18/2016 10:33:42 am
I agree and disagree, just because of your different points of view.I agree with you on how you say that no schools want bullies and mean people.But i do not really think that it is fair because most colleges want kids who are more advanced in thinking rather than being nice.I also agree with you on how you said that it isn't fair that how kids who work very very hard on exams to get into dreamschools cant get in when they tried very hard and did their best on tests and exams.
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garrett
2/16/2016 11:18:09 am
I feel like if you go softer on someone they will have better ease of doing work. If you go hard on them they will probably be stressed out and not want to do the work so I think the idea of going softer on students is a good idea and not allowing them to be in a school just because they are mean is a bad idea unless if that student has been suspended more than 2 times in school or has been a very mean student
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Ryan
2/18/2016 09:56:08 am
Garret, I agree with you but I also don't. Sometimes being hard on a person will motivate the person to do better, but I see your point. But then again, the colleges aren't going softer on the kids. They are just trying to see what type of person he or she is.
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jenna
2/18/2016 10:31:54 am
Ryan, you're opinion seems to make sense too I find your comment really interesting because you said that they are "going softer on" the students by just letting anyone in. Also, I agree with your solution of making stricter laws about who can get in depending on how much they have been unethical or suspended.
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jenna
2/18/2016 09:46:39 am
I agree because even though you are bad you can get good grades.So even though you have good grades and high test scores you can't go to a good college.x
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jenna
2/18/2016 10:03:01 am
for example you did really good in high school and got high test scores.Then you got a chance to go to a top college. But the college tested that you are a bad student. Then the chance of going to a good college is gone. So just because you are not kind its not fair that you can't go to a good college.
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Jacob
2/18/2016 09:46:40 am
Colleges shouldn't allow nice people to their school. I think this because it is not fair that nice people with bad grade go to the top university. I think the hard workers and people that has good grades should go the best colleges. Another reason why they shouldn't let nice people that has bad grades join because what if the college was too hard for them. I also think it is not fair because the smart people study hard for every test but what if they went to the worst college because there were whole bunch of nice people going to the best school it isn't fair.
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Ryan
2/18/2016 10:00:21 am
Jacob, I partly agree and disagree with you. I can tell that you think that it is unfair that nice people can go to the best colleges. But it is not as if they are just basing the person on the essay, they might also want to see your test scores just in case. Most people are not just accepted because of the way they are. But I can still see your understanding.
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Violet
2/18/2016 10:54:46 am
I disagree with you. I think nice kids should go to colleges.Also if a smart but mean kid went to school with a dumb but nice kid then they will both become smart and nice kids.College is very important to a lot of people.It is not nice to take a chance to be in a good college from those who deserve it more then those who don't care so much.
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Jacob
2/18/2016 09:47:49 am
Ms.Stanco said to write a responds in this blog
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Ryan
2/18/2016 09:51:14 am
I think that the way colleges are now accepting people is a reasonable way. You can see that the people who are in charge of admissions are basing the person on the way they are. I think that if that was me, I would still use the way the type of person he or she is to allow them into the college. This is because by allowing a person in who has amazing grades, but isn't a kind person, then how do you know the way they will act to all the other students. Also the way they are telling the kids to admission with an essay is a good idea. It explains what the person has achieved, other than academic achievements. Writing the essay, will explain the person they are, and the type of way they write. But then again, the colleges still should try to see the persons academic schools to allow them into the school.
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Arlon
2/18/2016 09:57:50 am
I somewhat agree with you but also disagree with you.I agree with you the fact that it is reasonable to let in students who are kind but,I disagree with you on the fact they should still let people in who have good grades because what if their mean to people who are less intelligent compared to them.
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Ryan
2/18/2016 10:02:55 am
Arlon, I see what you mean. But you can't just allow a person into a very good college who are nice and kind but might have horrible grades. My point was to say that still allowing a person on their grades but also on the way they are.
Cara
2/18/2016 10:01:40 am
I agree and disagree. The school wouldn't be a top school anymore if it was full of people who had bad grades but a good personality. Even though being kind to people is a good thing, it wouldn't be fair for the people who get rejected but worked really hard to get into the college.
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Arlon Baluyot
2/18/2016 09:51:21 am
Here is my opinion on whether or not they should let students in depending on how "nice" they are.I say that they should and here is why.Now if you were getting perfect grades but was mean,that would mean that he/she would pick on less intelligent students and say stuff like "Wow,you don't even know the basic numbers of pie!How did you even get into Harvard, oh my god."would you let in a student like that into Harvard or MIT.That is why I agree that they should let in good/nice kids with good grades.
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Brian
2/18/2016 10:36:53 am
I disagree with you Arlon. (I am sorry) but if they let nice kids with bad grades in then they will be stresses out because the test is so hard. This is what I think.
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Leilah
2/18/2016 10:43:40 am
(SORRY) I disagree because being mean does not really mean you are going to make fun of peoples education . When you are older you could just solve your own problems .
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Tommy (Mrs. Stanco's class)
2/18/2016 09:51:58 am
As a Kindness lover, my opinion is that students should be judged by how kind they are, even if they do a good score on a test! Just think about it! A whole school that has troublesome kids being mean to each other. Kids are the future but nice kids are better! The mean kids can actually make others get lower grades by distracting them and all of that bad, bad stuff. If there are few caring students they can be rude to the teacher and the teacher has to stop the whole lesson for ONE student. Trust me, i nearly failed school in my old school for everyone being rude. That was my opinion.
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Jacob
2/18/2016 10:00:05 am
Now Tommy my opinion is different why would nice people go to good colleges when they are not good at a lot of subject! They will fail, fail everything. Probably kicked out of school. And if the nice people tried to be a doctor nice try. They would fail you need them to go to the right place not a hard place for them. The nice people would probably sleep and then miss classes. Then he will not learn anything. HE WOULD STRUGGLE DOING HIS HOMEWORK. Now not to be mean i'm sorry to the nice people but you guys should enter the right college.
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Natasha
2/18/2016 10:00:54 am
Tommy, I agree with you that colleges shouldn't let in a bunch of mean people because then it would affect the learning environment. Colleges should only let in nice people, but those nice people would have to have good grades because it wouldn't be fair to the people that work hard and get good grades if people that didn't even try hard got accepted into college.
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jorden
2/18/2016 10:02:27 am
I disagree.The reason i disagree is because some kids in the school who apply may have gotten bad grades in their highschool but were nice.Also since they are nice they may apply for top universities but got bad test scores and may not be able to keep up with their teacher/teachers because their teacher may be going at a higher level than they were learning at in highschool.So i disagree with you because kids may not be able to keep up with their teachers and may not understand what they are talking about.
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Aidan
2/18/2016 10:35:14 am
Jacob, I agree with your response because you are right, if somebody gets horrible grades they could get kicked out of school. Also if they struggle with something. They can struggle with their homework and I disagree with Tommy's response because Tommy thinks that they should be judged on how nice they are not on how smart they are. Even thought Tommy you do have a valid point on why.
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Jorden Tiritilli
2/18/2016 09:54:31 am
So, in my opinion i mostly disagree with not letting in kids that get good grades.I disagree because usually when you get more kids who work better or take more time too work and get better grades you will probably get better results of grades and it would make more kids want to apply so they can have my students.Also i disagree because if they don´t let more kids who achieve better in then they wont have a very high success result of how students are working harder and also the grades that the students get.So in my opinion i disagree with the people who are not letting higher average students in to there colleges and i think that they should change there minds and let more students into their college.Also that if your nice but have bad grades you shouldn´t be allowed to go to top universitys that train at very high grade levels.
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Sasha Sauciur
2/18/2016 10:32:30 am
I agree with you Jorden because people should be their self everyday at school. Even if someone does not like you that doesn't mean that you will have less chances of getting into a school. Also it matters much on the effort hat is given in the work.-$@$H@
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charlotte
2/18/2016 10:58:08 am
I agree with you completely. There are some people that don't have the best behavior but have tried really hard to apply for the college that turns them down because they don't have a respectful personality. I also agree that there are some people that are kind, but don't have the best grade. I wonder if schools would still accept people with bad grades? I kind of feel like the colleges would have enough common sense to understand that its not at all fair to accept people only because of their personality. I'd like to add on that it is also important that people with different personalities learn to work with other people because this social skill is important.
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Brian :) <3
2/18/2016 09:55:01 am
We are from room 31 Ms.Stanco's class!!!
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Lesly
2/18/2016 09:56:07 am
I think that it's fair and not fair at the same time. It's fair because if the colleges should take in caring students because then they would be able to learn and connect better. So if they take in students that are not caring then the students wouldn't be able to connect with other students. But it's also not fair because if students that have top grades but are not caring then they probably won't get into a good college. Also because if people that are caring don't have top grades then they can go to a really high ability college and might be too advanced for them.
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Natasha
2/18/2016 09:56:12 am
I think that students should not be accepted into college for just their good grades, or just their personality, but both. You shouldn't get a reward for being a horrible person but working hard, or being an amazing person but never working at all. You should be judged on both your personality and work because if I was a college principal, I would only want students that are both nice and hardworking to go to my school, and represent my school when they grow up. If college universities accepted lazy, nice people into their school, that person would grow up, get a job, still be lazy, and represent the school. The lazy, nice people would always say that they went to a good college, and then it would reflect badly on the college that they went to. People would think, "Wow, this person went to MIT? And this is how they turned out? I'm never sending my child there." The school would slowly go from being the best to being the worst school, all because they decided to let in a bunch of nice people that don't even work hard or deserve the privilege of going to college. Like I said, colleges should let in students that are both nice AND hardworking.
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Lesly
2/18/2016 10:00:51 am
Natasha I agree with you about that students should not get rewarded for being a not caring person but being rewarded of the hard work that they do and getting top grades.
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Ashley
2/18/2016 10:36:50 am
I agree with you Natasha because students can't just go into school because of traits and hard working. They have to have equal balance. So, they need to have both students that are hard working and kind to other people.
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Cara (5th)
2/18/2016 09:58:20 am
I think it's fair and also not fair. I think it's fair because in life,it is good to be kind and helpful towards others. So if they accept more people in top colleges or universities, then it could build their personalities. But this is about TOP schools. Top schools are for people who study and work hard to get into that college. It wouldn't be a top school anymore if it was full of people who had bad grades. I wouldn't feel right if I got rejected and had really good grades while someone else got accepted but with bad grades and a good personality. A fair way to accept people in the college would be making sure that they worked hard in school and got good grades, but also had a very good personality and were kind to others.
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Daniel Y. the 5th grader
2/18/2016 10:44:14 am
I think I agree with you because I don't want stupid people coming into really good colleges.
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Sasha Sauciur
2/18/2016 09:58:57 am
I think that it is not fair to have people be accepted into one elite university or college just because of their personality. A student that has very good grades and efforts in their work and tests should have more chances to get into a better university because they care much more than other people in their class. When one person is nice and has a good character the teacher could possibly like them more than another person. However, that isn't the most important part of your schooling. It is important that you are yourself everyday and you don't have to change anything to get into a good school. All that matters is that you have a good personality and you care deeply about your work. This is my opinion about teachers passing students just by having a good personality.-$@$H@
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I think that it is definitely fair to give students who are not necessarily good at math or reading but are still kind, but students who don't act very kindly and excel in all else should still be accepted to Ivy League schools. Like the article says, most students who don't do well in high school have a reason, such as "..caring for a sick relative or juggled jobs to help their families." This shows bravery and citizenship, which are both good traits. We did a project earlier this school year where we chose a classmate and wrote a report on what good character trait they show. Citizenship is a key trait later in life for most jobs. Poor families often cannot pay for college, even if their child has much potential. But I agree with Jacob that they shouldn't let just any nice person in, because then they'd start to admit more and more people who don't have much potential in them. A student should only be accepted for being ethical if they show outstanding character traits or have really shown bravery in their life.
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Justine
2/18/2016 10:34:26 am
I agree with you entirely, Minerva. Lots of students are unable to succeed in school because they have to help their families. I know that a lot of children of all ages have to get jobs like cleaning houses with their parents, just so they can afford to live. I like how you related our class project to this article, which is something that I didn't think of.
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Justine
2/18/2016 10:00:14 am
I think that it is a good idea to accept people partly on their personality, but not entirely. If someone has very low grades, but does community work, there is a chance that they won't be able to succeed in college. They might have to leave college because they didn't do work in high school and aren't prepared. But, if someone has good grades, but not as high as the college would normally accept, and they're kind to others, there is a chance that they will do very well in college. There should be a balance between judging on personality and on grades and academics. "The report says top colleges should look for 'caring' students. Students should also know the difference between right and wrong. It says the quality of students' achievements is more important than the number of achievements they have." This is true, but the student should be able to do college work, too. In conclusion, I think this new way of accepting people into college will be helpful, as long as they don't take it too far.
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Aidan (Stanco's Class)
2/18/2016 10:01:46 am
I think that top universities shouldn't allow just nice people with bad grades into that top university. I don't think that it is fair that people with horrible grades should be allowed because they didn't work hard enough to get in that university. Honestly, I think that it is unfair for smart kids not allowed into that university, but the stupid ones are allowed to join it. I think that the people that are really stupid with bad grades shouldn't be taking to many classes because it might be really hard for them to accomplish that class. What if there is a dumb kid with bad grades and a smart kid with good grades? Will they let the dumb one in and leave the smart one out?
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Jaya (room 31)
2/18/2016 10:02:05 am
I disagree that students can get into college by having a great attitude and how people could get in by just being kind to one another. I believe that students should get in and be judged by how well that they do in school. If people got "C"s and "D"s all the time but had a good attitude they wouldn't really learn a lesson academically. The reason that we have school is so get an education, not to greet people with a smile. Yes, that is very nice and it shows good character, but, the reason that you should get into a good college is how your grades are. My example to support my opinion is "What happened to the old rules about top grades, school involvement and homework being so critical to youth success and a prosperous career?" That should still be the only reason that you can get into a good college. Kindness shows much about personality and you should always be kind and nice to people. That is always something important, but see, getting into college by being nice to someone should not be the only reason that you are in there.
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Sofia (room 31)
2/18/2016 10:02:14 am
I do not think at all that that colleges should accept people in only because they are kind and smart. What if you are really good at dancing or singing or sports or anything else and have great grades but you are not a very kind person. They could become famous and then the college could be known for the famous person who graduated from there. For example, Jackie Robinson graduated from UCLA and his locker is now in their college hall of fame. Your personality should not have to matter when you are choosing the college you want to go to. What will probably happen is that all the nice people will get into all the elite colleges and the smart people will get into that not very good colleges. So as a conclusion, I disagree completely.
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Jaya
2/18/2016 10:32:41 am
I agree. Students should get into a good college because they are academically challenged and able to work and keep up with their classes, not because they are kind to one another.
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Tommy
2/18/2016 10:38:57 am
I semi-agree. Well yes, even if you are a person that is not kind you can still do good in college but my opinion is that they should allow kinder students with good grades. They can change their attitude and be more kind to others anyone can! That is why i do not really agree.
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Leilah
2/18/2016 10:02:37 am
I think that people should only be accepted by their test scores and good grades because if people get accepted to a good college like Harvard then they could be challenged with their education . Education is very important . If you go to a good college and you are just accepted because you are nice then that would not be fair to people who work really hard to get into a good college . I think that having good grades and getting in to a good school is more important than being nice and getting into a good school . Even if you go to a not so nice college and you get accepted because you are nice I think that is still not right :).
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Jay
2/18/2016 10:43:29 am
I agree with you Leilah because if you want enter into a good school it matters on your test grades.
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Jeremy Estrella
2/18/2016 10:03:04 am
I think that colleges should let people into their schools by how kind they are.I think that because some people don't do well when they are in high school and their parents can't afford it.I also think that they should let them in on how nice they are because the nice people can help make a difference in the school they attend to.They can make a difference by helping teachers out or maybe they can tutor kids who need help on their homework.Also if they let kids who have good grades but are really mean then the school wouldn't be a better place because everyone is being bullied.If they don't give the kids with bad grades and who are really nice a chance then they can't get an education.
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Cara
2/18/2016 10:34:08 am
I disagree with you because students who worked hard to get into the school that they really dreamed to get in would be rejected while others who have bad grades but have a really good personality get accepted. But it's true that some might be poor and cannot afford to get into a college. And I don't get how they would tutor other students if they had bad grades. The college would most likely not be a "Top" college if it doesn't have people who work hard and try to achieve their goals.
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Jeremy Estrella
2/18/2016 10:53:40 am
Yeah I realize now that if they had bad grades they wouldn't be giving good information to the people there tutoring
Elena (shtap)
2/18/2016 10:34:34 am
I disagree with you because the people who are at the highest point average and are not so bright and caring, can't get accepted just because of personality.
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Nola
2/18/2016 10:58:14 am
I agree with you partially because I completely support the idea of having nice people around and in a community, but it's also important to give others a chance. Because then it's not fair if the other people don't get an education just because of their attitude.
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Elena
2/18/2016 10:03:20 am
I think is is both fair and unfair, I think is is fair because you do not want to be mean to the people that you will be with for 4 years of your life, also you do not want bullies roaming around a high university where this kinda counts. I also think that it is not fair because for people that work really hard and are not very caring, they would not be entered by their academics, and they would not be entered at all.
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Benicio
2/18/2016 10:34:22 am
I agree with you Elena because you do need both qualities to succeed. You can't just have one of the 2 qualities.
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Gavin
2/18/2016 10:44:23 am
I agree with you Elena because if you are mean to people, it would not be fair to other people because they might have good grades too but they can be bullied by other people so it is not fair for the good people and I agree when you said it was not fair. I also agree when you said it was fair because even if you are mean, you should still be able to get into a good college because all you have to do is change yourself. If you do not get into a college, it will not be fair to yourself because maybe you got really good grades but you are just not nice to people. If you are mean and you change yourself, you will be respected by others and it will be fair to you and others. You have to be caring to others like you said which I agree to so the other people will be nice to you. I agree with you disagreeing because people may get good grades, but they can be mean and maybe hurt the people in their own college. Overall, I agree with you Elena!
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Jeremy Estrella
2/18/2016 10:45:40 am
I disagree with you.I disagree with you because as you said you wouldn't want a college full of bullies but if those bullies have good grades then you are going to have a school of bullies.But if we have a school of nice kids with bad grades,yes the schools test score might go down but at least the school will become a better place.
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Brian :) <3
2/18/2016 10:03:38 am
I think that the good kids with bad grades should go to the top schools because the smart kids with bad behavior studied for hours and hours just to get in the tops schools. The good kids with bad grades barely did any work and studying and all they did was be nice. I think everyone can be nice. They should kick out the students that are nice and have bad grades. Even though that the mean kids are bad they studied and tried there best to get to the top schools unlike the nice kids with bad grades. This is what I think. :) <3
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Ashley
2/18/2016 10:04:25 am
I partially think that schools should choose the people by attitude because if you want to get in a really high level college you would need a higher grade and great attitude against people. I especially think that top colleges and colleges might bully most of the people around, so they should get kind people in too, but if there are too many people who are nice that don't have great grades, so they might get into huge problems by their parents. So even though there are bullies in the class, they should try and stand up for themselves. If there are no bullies they would not know how to stand up to the boss when they turn in their work late when you start going to work. So it would affect most of their lives. So I partially think that the people will have to get into school by grade and trait, but if their is too much of the trait it'll affect too much in the future. So I partially agree and disagree.
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Charlotte
2/18/2016 10:04:46 am
I know that being kind is an important skill for all people of all ages, and that with this skill, you can apply for really good jobs. However, I don't agree with the new rule that has been established that students should be kind in order to apply for college. There is a huge number of people in this world, and they all have different personalities. It would be odd if a school was completely filled with people of the same personality. There are lots of people that don't have a very positive personality, but may have worked very hard to apply for a top college. Also people who have "kind" personalities need to understand that there are people with difficult personalities, and they need to learn how to deal with people like this. If they get completely accustomed to a school filled with people that are easy to work with, then they might not be prepared for their future where they have to be independent and solve their own problems. And if schools take in people with negative personalities, I'm sure they can figure out a way to teach them the correct behavior. I don't agree with colleges that turn down people that have done everything they can for a good future.
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Benicio
2/18/2016 10:31:32 am
No, I do not think it is fair because students work really hard for an opportunity to get into a good college. These teenagers are studying really hard just to get into a good college. If more colleges start using this method, before you know it, people are just going to practice being kind. When these people grow up it is going to affect the next generation. The new generation will not work as hard and will lack the toughness that most people need to work. I agree with the experts that say this won't help.
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Daniel Y. the 5th grader
2/18/2016 10:31:58 am
I think it is not fair for kind people that have bad grades to go to Harvard and Yale and places like that while the smart people that study all through the night to get good grades, not just practicing kindness, doesn't get to go to the best colleges. First of all, this is not fair for the people that actually work hard and try unlike the nice, kind people with bad grades. This new rule of colleges looking for nice people might also make college life hard for them, because they weren't as trying as the good graded people. And also, don't forget that the good graded people might not have a very good attitude because their lack of sleep might give them stress, causing the "bad attitude". If I was one of the people with good grade people excepted into Harvard, I would also not like to go around in school that the fellow college-mates can't even help you in academics and just goes smiling around 24/7. So to make myself clear, I disagree to the new rule that colleges would pick students with good behavior.
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Gael ( A Past Student )
2/18/2016 10:39:51 am
Daniel even though I had different ideas than you I like how you supported your opinion very thoroughly and neatly and organized which was amazing. You used good examples and scenarios in your text.
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Gael ( A Past Student )
2/18/2016 10:33:51 am
I believe that top colleges and colleges should accept students who don't have top grades, they should accept them if they try hard, work hard, and if they try to provide a better life for their family. Colleges should stop being picky about their students because if they continue doing this in the article it says that the kids are getting more and more stress on them so that impacts their work. But a put downer is that bad kids with top grades or good kids with bad grades are going to be put in colleges they is going to be too much of them because these days they're is a lot of them. In the article it says "Haberson does not think the answer is asking students to be nicer or more caring.She thinks colleges will still be unfair about who they let in. She says they will always favor certain students over others," I think this is completely true because colleges want high ranking students to have a better future in the real world and they don't just want to deal with "good" students. But my opinion is that every kid should go to college even if your'e bad but not that bad, if you have low grades, if you cant afford much it doesn't matter to me I believe that good kids should go to elite schools and colleges and college pickers should stop being picky to students they should give them a bigger chance. Also if they stop being picky more people would have more jobs or more people would stop being a High School drop out which is important because they need to have a job and a better education they deserve.
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Connie
2/18/2016 10:44:39 am
I agree with you that the colleges should judge students that are hardworking with perseverance. Sometimes, if they choose their picks by scores/grades, it would stress out people a lot. If you're judging personality, it would give people more chances for being picked into that college. Because of this, people may be able to help afford money for their families in the future. Also, I appreciate that you used some evidence from the text to help support your main point.
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Connie
2/18/2016 10:34:19 am
I think it is pretty fair that colleges sometimes judge their pick of students based on their kindness or approach, because sometimes people shouldn't always judge students by their grades or scores. Personality of the character is also very crucial. In the article, the author wrote, "Now schools are taking a more "holistic" approach. This means they're looking at the whole person. " If I were a counselor, I would judge the person by personality and character. However, top scores and top grades is also very important to schools. Even if you may be bad, your scores may be very high. In my opinion, personality could be more important than grades at certain times. If you are a smart person with bad attitude, I think that could affect your feelings towards other people and maybe your ways of learning. Kindness is a very important quality to know. After all, in the text, it was written, "Students should also know the difference between right and wrong." In conclusion, I think it is reasonable for the colleges to start judging the students, not just based on their scores, but their attitude and character, too.
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Jay
2/18/2016 10:34:51 am
I think that it is not fair to only allow nice people into their colleges. This is because someone could be mean, but it would be even meaner to not allow them into college. They could be having a hard time and want to study to help their families. In the world there are always going to be rude people, that is why in college you should be used to mean people and that starts in school. I think if you let nice people in college with bad grades and you do not let mean people with good grades into your college then that not's fair!
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Sofia (room 31)
2/18/2016 10:36:05 am
I agree with you Leilah because if the nice people that got into good colleges they would struggle a lot because they would not be smart enough to understand what they are learning. It should be all about grades and test scores.
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Violet
2/18/2016 10:36:29 am
Yes and No. Kind students have a better chance of learning complicated and helpful topics. Kind students have a better chance of hearing,paying attention to, and understanding the teacher. But their is something that teachers and students have to consider. Some kind kids have hard times understanding things. Like if a kid couldn't even buy a few helpful books because they've been taking care of a family member their whole life. I think they should let smart, kind and helpful kids into top colleges. Some kind kids didn't even get to read because they were working to keep their family's house. If you have kind, but not as smart kids with smart kids then a solution has been made.Also some smart kids could also be kind. I think that even kind and smart kids should all go to college.No matter if it's top in the country or learning how to work a cash register. Kindness and Smarts are two totally different things, but put together they can create a totally new person.Inside and outside.
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Agustin
2/18/2016 10:44:23 am
I agree with Justine point of view about how only accept someone with partially a kind and someone also very achieving, too. I think they shouldn't just have everyone in kind and low ranked when even though little amount who care only on their exams, tests, or even just big achievement. So I would think to be nice and mostly be very ranked then to be really nice and below studies. So I mostly think it would be better to mostly achieved than just to nice.
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Nola
2/18/2016 10:48:22 am
I think that this is fair in some of the following ways. This is fair because people have to be ready for the world once they graduate. Not only do you have to know how to get around and how to do your job, but lets say your a waiter, you can't be yelling at your customer because then they wont come back. Depending on the job you have you need to have the right attitude in order to succeed. But then again I don't think that, that should be the only that colleges are looking for. Because your temper and attitude can change. Colleges should be looking for kids that they think can change or succeed. But then the teachers have to prepare them for how they will be expected to behave. I don't think that the colleges should only depend on how nice their students are, but they should look for other qualities in their students. "Harberson does not think the answer is asking students to be nicer or more caring. She thinks colleges will still be unfair about who they let in. She says they will always favor certain students over others." This is a quote from the article that I both agree and disagree with it. I think that she has a point in some ways but she should consider some of my reasoning. If I were in charge of deciding whether or not this person is kind or not would be a difficult task. And in some ways it is impossible because you don't that person's story, you didn't grow up with this person. That's why what what I would do is get to know the person. Did she/he ever do community service? What does he/she think of people in homeless situations? I would try to collect information about this person. But you can never know whether you made the right decision or not.
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Sarah: 5th
2/18/2016 11:06:54 am
I think that it is fair for colleges to accept students to their university based on how kind they are because it is sad if people that do not have top grades go to an unhelpful collage. These kind and helpful people like to focus on giving and caring. Because of that they may not pay attention to their grades. If they need help, we should give them a good collage. People that have the good grades should also get into a good collage. They have worked so hard, and will be sad and confused. They would think... why am I not getting in a good collage when I got perfect grades? If I was admission I am not sure how to pick a student on how kind they are. I think that if anyone gets tested for kindness, it is unfair to see the results. Sometimes they are not true. (:
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Gavin
2/18/2016 11:08:04 am
I think kid that are pretty mean should go to really good and diciplined schools because if they go to a very low rated school, you will not learn anything and you will not change yourself from mean to nice. I think that it will not be fair to other people if you're mean to them because they earned their spot in a good college but they are treated badly by a mean person even though they they get good grades and they have done most things right. It will also be unfair because maybe the person will be smart but they can be mean so the teachers and other people will have to deal with a mean person trying to make them calm down and giving the teacher a hard time. It won't be fair to other people so if I were a mean person, I would change to get good grades, and have others treat me nice and respect me.
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